A Conversation with Filmmaker Zak Forsman

Zak Forsman and I have been good friends for just a few years now.  He’s been a true supporter of my films and when I found out about his Kickstarter campaign I donated right away and asked if he would like to talk about the project in more detail to share his vision and plans.  Rather than email a laundry list of questions for him to answer, I preferred to start an email discussion so that the talk would flow more organically.  Here is the conversation.


–Gary

So you and I know each other pretty well….but for those that are just meeting you for the first time, can you give us a brief background on your filmmaking career and where they can go to find out more about you and see your work?
Many people are surprised to learn that the first film I directed was Heart of Now. We shot that in October 2007. It was a great lesson in working with actors, bouncing between scripted and improvised material. And it was a long road to final cut, sending it to festivals and now to its release on DVD through Vanguard Cinema. I think it’s a little funny that I’ve spent so much time in a DIY headspace, and ended up opting for a traditional distributor.  I have a pretty compelling reason for doing so, but to your question… while we were in post on Heart of Now, I made a short titled I F*cking Hate You that played about 18 festivals including From Here To Awesome.  And that was sort of the beginning of my “waking up” to the realities of independent filmmaking.  Through FHTA I met Lance Weiler and he introduced me to more people than i can count over the years.  I started attending SXSW and Sundance where I could meet and make new friends in the indie community.  And I became the editor of the New Breed blog on the Workbook Project which gave me a forum to talk about what I was learning and to converse with other filmmakers who were writing for the site.  I’m just now getting into a new movie and have a slate of projects I hope to do over the next ten years.  Two have microbudget written all over them, but the rest are part of a larger plan to pursue a model of financing and distribution that one can make a living doing.
I’m kind of spread all over in terms of where you can find me.  I think it’s true of anyone now, you can pretty much just google them to find out what you want to know.  Other than Facebook and Twitter, most of the action happens at:

That’s interesting that HEART OF NOW was your very first film?  It seems like the work of a very assured director….are you sure there’s no practice short films laying around the Forsman household?  What were the influences going into it?  And did it turn out how you expected?
Well, the truth is that growing up, my producing partner at Sabi and I used to make little vignettes on VHS camcorders that varied from toys coming to life to kill their owners to a bunch of 14 year olds running around in the woods playing soldiers in Vietnam.  On Heart of Now I wanted the experience of working with professional actors.  I think the two biggest lessons i learned were how to set them on a path and then get out of their way, and not to be too precious about the director-actor relationship.  It’s a unique bond, but it doesn’t need to be humorless and it doesn’t mean I have to have something brilliant to say between each take.  We can find it together.  I wanted to get the kind of authentic performances I saw in movies like Lilja 4-ever, Ratcatcher, Rosetta, The Son, and Breaking the Waves. Did it turn out how I expected? In terms of performances, yes. But structurally, the first act we shot was cut down considerably as my editor “re-discovered” the story within the material we shot.  We shot too much movie.

 

Taking those lessons…..how to you plan to approach DOWN AND DANGEROUS?  And will there be just as much room this time to significantly re-discover the film in the edit?
Down and Dangerous definitely has a much tighter and more aggressive and dynamic narrative than Heart of Now.  But within that structure, I’m very excited to play with each scene until they come alive and I feel quite comfortable using guided improvisational techniques to discover the magic that makes it special and worthy of its place in the story.  I also expect to surprise a lot of people who have seen Heart of Now and its handheld, naturalistic aesthetic. Down and Dangerous, while still feeling very organic to the story and characters, will reveal just how effective I can be in the use of composition, light, color, movement and more in the visual language of the movie.

 

I happen to think that you do amazing work with actors and their performances.  For aspiring filmmakers out there who may be unsure of or apprehensive about working with actors, can you share what a “guided improvisational technique” may be (without giving away your trade secrets)?
By doing a breakdown of the screenplay, I come away with an understanding of the objectives and intentions of each character in any given scene. If we find that the scene as written is lacking an authentic spark, we’ll try to find it by tossing the written dialogue aside and letting the underlying objectives be our guide. So now, each actor is free to find new paths to the same goal.  And often, I’ll step in with a turn for the scene, or changing what they want from the other character.  It’s a process of discovery that often yields exciting results.

 

It’s cool to be able to use that approach….but I’m sure you know not every actor could handle it.  You seem to be great at finding talented people who embrace your directing style and create very stimulating performances.  So let’s start with your amazing find in John T Woods….how did you two meet and when did you he would play “Paul” in your latest film?
John had auditioned for Heart of Now and we cast him in a role that, unfortunately, was left on the cutting room floor in an effort to streamline the film’s first act. But soon after, we made a short film together and grew as friends traveling to several festivals with the rest of the team.  We soon found that we shared a frequency of sorts and I look at him more like a brother than a collaborator now.  Down and Dangerous was born of a conversation John and I had.  I remember pointing (figuratively) to you, Gary, saying “that guy” is prolific as hell, doing a volume of work and stretching himself creatively with each new project.  It had been three years since directing Heart of Now, and John and I both felt the need to do something right now.  We had the equipment, we knew great actors, we knew how to stretch a microbudget, and we just needed a project.  A topic of conversation we both fell back to often was my dad’s brief career as a cocaine smuggler in the seventies.   I set a deadline for myself of going into production before the end of the year, and went back to my hometown to begin writing.

Love that type of genesis for a project!  And thank you for the kind comments.  So did you have Ross Marquand in mind right away?  Did you know that you wanted him and John to go mano a mano in this story from the get go?
That’s exactly right. Ross is someone I’ve wanted to work with from the day I met him.  He is skilled beyond words and a complete professional.  No ego, no bullshit, he is just a genuine and  bright guy and the first person I thought of when I asked myself, “okay, who else is going to be in this picture?”.  We did a screen test many months ago between John and Ross and we’ve met on a few occasions to discuss the type of characters he was interested in playing.  On one of those meetings he jumped into a Brad Pitt impression and I probably fell out of my chair. First, who thinks to do Brad Pitt? And second, it was perfect!  Then I learn he has a whole roster of celebrity impressions he can do.  And this I think is related to Ross’s penchant for disappearing inside a character completely – adopting a specific voice, a manner, the hair and wardrobe become very important.  The guy is a magician.
 

Wow to be a fly on the wall during the shooting….ok….so tell me about the rest of the cast to round out the key players in the film…
At this moment, there are a handful of actors I’ve met with and spoken to, but no offers or promises have been made. We have some ideas about who we’d like to cast, but want to do one more revision to the screenplay before committing to anyone else – with one exception.  A couple months ago, I started looking for an actress to play the role of a young woman who had grown up in Mexico, moving to the States in her teens.  I started googling combinations of “actress reel latina los angeles” and saw quite a bit, but there was one stand out – Paulie Rojas.  She had an unmatched rawness and authenticity paired with indescribable beauty. A rare combination. I had no back-up in mind, she was it as far as I was concerned. I’m not stupid though. Of course there was the fear that she could come in and be wonderful on camera, but a nightmare to work with. Paulie and I agreed to meet so we could get to know each other and do a screen test. It turns out that Paulie couldn’t have been more charming.  She’s a true professional, committed doing the best work and a very thoughtful, genuine person. We asked what actors she admired, what films she liked and it was a relief to see real chemistry between her and John T. Woods in the screen test. She’s new to the Sabi family, but I expect many collaborations in our future.
 

I for one am certainly looking forward to seeing the 3 leads chemistry burn up the screen.  So I’m aware of the genesis of the project…now I’m curious how much of it is dependent on a tightly scripted structure…..meaning are you open or even able to allow the story to change as drastically as it did with HEART OF NOW?   Are there some elements that you are deliberately leaving out of the script so you have some flexibility or are all the characters paths clearly charted out already?
Heart of Now was an attempt on my part to follow an emotional narrative, more so than a plotline. Even so, those character arcs were always in the script at some point – often from the very beginning but they were also subject to rewrites the night before we shot any given scene. I expected the content would evolve as we shot the movie, and incorporating those new trajectories was very much part of that process. For this reason we shot largely in chronological order. It was a tremendous education on how to be attentive and nimble enough to adapt to what was happening. But I don’t want to just keep doing different versions of the same movie. I very much want to grow as a storyteller. Down and Dangerous represents a step toward a more tightly plotted narrative with opportunities for some very compelling performances wrapped in a strikingly visual package. There will be scenes with strong language, drug culture and adult themes of a romantic nature. Some gun violence and physical fights too. And it is my intent for these elements to be earned, and not gratuitous. So, in addition to the theme and everything that makes this story personal and worth telling, it holds within it some challenges in its form that I haven’t faced before. And those challenges excite me.
 

I think you mentioned it being an “arthouse genre” film — one that I don’t think we’ve seen a lot of at the budget-level you’re making it at.  I’m excited for you and that challenge as the action scenes will be key.  Are you planning a lot of stunts and gunplay?  And do you have any film or filmmaker influences going into this?
Ha ha! Yeah, I’ve said that. I’m not really sure what it means though. The movie I want to make is the movie I want to make. And I guess calling it an “arthouse genre picture” is my way of saying we’re stuffing the kind of authenticity you may find in many arthouse movies within a genre wrapper. I’m excited to construct and execute some inventive action sequences, definitely. They will be a lot of fun and an area in which I hope to push through on some creative barriers. For inspiration, I’ve gone back to the crime thrillers of Michael Mann and listened to all of his commentaries for each. He offers great insight into building up a criminal character with backstory and tradecraft. I’ve also revisited Straight Time, Narc, Casablanca, and others – these are the flavors floating around in my head.
 

So when do you expect to start shooting?  And how involved will the Kickstarter backers be in the process?
We’ll start shooting near the end of October and into mid-November. Already, I’m making sure to push something forward everyday. But the team here will really begin heavy pre-production next week, now that our friends and family have effectively greenlit the movie by contributing funds via Kickstarter.  All of our backers are going to receive first-look access to reports including pictures and video from the production that will be issued as Kickstarter updates. For those that selected the $250 perk, they are receiving a “Smuggler’s Mystery Box” that is going to open a doorway to this fictional world we’re creating in a very fun way.
I’ve got to say that right here at the every end of this campaign, I am so humbled and excited by the tremendous support we’ve received. I’m looking at the countdown and in these final hours we’re experiencing a rally of sorts. New backers are jumping aboard, existing backers are raising their pledges – because they know that those extra funds will go very far toward crafting a better motion picture. It will allow us to expand our schedule a little and take more time to make the best damn movie we can. I feel like I owe it to the 350+ people supporting us. I want to knock their socks off with a fun, entertaining, romantic, resonant and authentic motion picture.

 

 

2 Comments

  1. This was interesting and informative. I got to learn more about Zak and Gary.

  2. Gary King says:

    Thanks for reading it John!

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